I fall planted a large bed on October 1st (2018). About 3/4 of the plants survived the winter and I had much better results. The 2018 spring planting produced plants that had few tillers and grew to a height of about 2 foot. The overwintered plants tillered heavily and grew to a height of about 3 1/2 – 4 foot. My yield was still very modest and only about 1/2 of the grain heads had seed. There were also some issues with disease (fusarium) but this was hardly unexpected, given the record breaking wet spring and early summer we experienced (2019). A grow out in Southern California produced mixed results with small grain heads and had some disease issues there as well.